Quaccinology – “No definitive experiment establishes that the whole principle of vaccination makes any sense whatsoever”

All right. So, we're here with Ken McCarthy, who is an author and uh influencer in the medical freedom
0:077 secondsmovement and elsewhere. And he just came out with a new book called Diabolical Errors about the strange and unsettling history of vaccine science. And it's
0:1616 secondsonly only available in excerpt form right now, but soon to be in full length form. How you doing, Ken? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. You're the first person to interview me,
0:2424 secondsso you're going to get the best interview.
0:2626 secondsNice. Nice. Looking forward to it. Uh I noticed right away in in this book that you uh you note note that nobody seems
0:3434 secondsto be able to come up with a coherent definition for the term vaccinology which this is some a sort of history of.
0:3939 secondsUh what kind of definitions did they give you that that that we're so uh baffled? So I I in the subtitle I use
0:4747 secondsthe term vaccine science which is just another way of saying vaccinology you know or vaccinology or however you say it. And so whenever I'd ask a regular
0:5555 secondsperson, "What is vaccinology?" They'd go, "I don't know." Um, and I mean, yeah, but then then when I'd say, "What's vaccine science?" They go,
1:021 minute, 2 seconds"Well, I guess it must be the science of vaccines."
1:051 minute, 5 secondsYou know, it's just an example of how they put little spins on on words that make it like impenetrable for the average person. Uh, when when you
1:141 minute, 14 secondsactually break it down what they're saying, they're just using some they're just saying something very simple. Yeah, that's that's the Orwellian thing.
1:201 minute, 20 secondsYou control the language, you control the thoughts. So that's that's and boy does medicine does medicine have that down to a science?
1:271 minute, 27 secondsYeah. What what were some of the what were some of the most uh astonishing things you found out in this? This is it's basically a history of like the the the preliminary uh foundation upon which vaccine quoteunquote science is based,
1:381 minute, 38 secondsright? Like talk about what what inspired you to to dig a little deeper here. Well, I was writing a book called um the reality of vaccine injury and
1:471 minute, 47 secondsextreme autism and uh because there is such a thing as vaccine injury and there is such a thing as extreme autism. But
1:551 minute, 55 secondsthe medical profession would like you to think that neither of those two things exist and they certainly don't want you to think they're connected. So, I'm working on this book and I thought,
2:032 minutes, 3 secondswell, I've got to give a little history of the history of vaccinations. Like, where did where did it all come from?
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsThere must have been at some point there must have been some intelligent experiment that was done that showed that all this makes sense. And so I started looking and looking and I went
2:172 minutes, 17 secondsdeeper and deep. I I I still haven't found it. I've written 50 plus chapters uh and I'm still looking for a definitive experiment that actually
2:272 minutes, 27 secondsestablishes that the whole principle of vaccination makes any sense whatsoever.
2:312 minutes, 31 secondsYeah. There's another famous book on vaccine skepticism called Turtles All the Way Down. And I think that that's a great way of describing it that the digger the deeper you go you just find
2:392 minutes, 39 secondsthat that it's based on smoke and mirrors largely um well we know that history is written by the victors as as
2:472 minutes, 47 secondsyou've uh sort of gone over in some of your other books. When did you first realize that medical history was also suffering from this same lack of let's
2:542 minutes, 54 secondssay perspective. But what's really weird is if you read the the mainstream accepted medical history, if you go be
3:023 minutes, 2 secondsyou know there's the cartoon version which is you know that first there was smallox and then you know Washington
3:093 minutes, 9 secondsinoculated his troops and saved the day and then there was pastor and you know you know that's what we're told in
3:173 minutes, 17 secondsschool but when you actually read the mainstream medical historians not not you know fringe people or they just tell
3:243 minutes, 24 secondsyou what actually happened and what actually happened is crazy.
3:303 minutes, 30 secondsLike there's no science anywhere. In fact, one of the sections of the book,
3:333 minutes, 33 secondsthe the ultimate book that will come out is called witchcraft and wishful thinking.
3:393 minutes, 39 secondsAnd when you look at what they considered experiments and science as they were proving that vaccines worked,
3:453 minutes, 45 secondsit was witchcraft with a lot of wishful thinking and and also a lot of PR. In every s single instance I found there
3:543 minutes, 54 secondswas not just good PR but black belt heavyweight worldclass PR. Um one of the
4:014 minutes, 1 secondexamples would be Pastor. I'll give you just this one example. So we all know Louis Pastor great man blah blah blah blah blah. And he actually was a great
4:094 minutes, 9 secondsindustrial chemist and he did a lot of really good things. If you're in the food preparation business like if you're brewing beer or making cheese. Yeah.
4:184 minutes, 18 secondsLouis Pastor did it. But the other stuff he did was crazy. Um, and he's, by the way, considered the father of modern
4:254 minutes, 25 secondsimmunology and and the basically he did the first injected vaccine in history.
4:314 minutes, 31 secondsAnd we'll we'll maybe we'll talk about that crazy story. But the reason we know about Louisie Pastor and his um wish
4:384 minutes, 38 secondswish witchcraft and wishful thinking is his son-in-law was one of the most politically and journalisticly
4:464 minutes, 46 secondsconnected person of his generation in France. Like all his relatives were novelists and major journalists. He his
4:554 minutes, 55 secondsfirst job out of college was assistant to the guy that eventually became the president of France. like this guy was plugged in and um everywhere you go,
5:055 minutes, 5 secondseverywhere you look at the history of vaccination, there's always some some really high-powered PR guy uh blowing the horn. Do you think that in in a way
5:135 minutes, 13 secondsthe way that the way that the vaccine uh apologists or vaccine proponents approach the medical freedom community as being unscientific and quackery and
5:215 minutes, 21 secondswhatnot? Do you think that there's an element of like crying out in pain as they strike you given that there's as you found in this book such an
5:285 minutes, 28 secondsunscientific basis for vaccinology? I mean, I would actually I would think that it would be a good idea to go into some of pastor's early experiments. The thing with the rabies is just next level
5:375 minutes, 37 secondsinsane. And the fact that they know deep down inside or do they know? Do you think that there's there's there's some degree of overcompensating for their own
5:445 minutes, 44 secondslack of scientific rigor or do you think that they're just, you know, go going after first thing?
5:495 minutes, 49 secondsIt kind of reminds me of your favorite country in mine,
5:535 minutes, 53 secondsIsrael. You know, they're they're always the victim of everything. Oh, yeah.
5:565 minutes, 56 secondsYou know, everyone's always picking on them and nobody, you know, they're the most democratic nation on earth. They're the most ethical army that ever existed,
6:036 minutes, 3 secondsyou know, this stuff. And the medical profession is actually kind of pulling that same game. And yeah, I I I think
6:116 minutes, 11 secondswhen they learn this stuff in in medical school, they just gloss over the actual origins and roots of everything and they just get straight to the procedures and
6:196 minutes, 19 secondsthey tell you, "Oh yeah, there's a lot of science somewhere. Don't worry about it. It's there." You know, I call it in the back of the book, I call it the great pyramid. Uh uh what do what do I
6:296 minutes, 29 secondssay? Uh great pyramidsized pile of papers, studies, and journal articles. I mean, it's a huge pile. And when you see
6:366 minutes, 36 secondsa huge pile, you think, "Well, it must be there must be something there." Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a legal trick,
6:426 minutes, 42 secondslike, you know, if you want to you're fighting somebody and and they want discovery, you go, "Sure." And you send them a container load of papers and say,
6:496 minutes, 49 seconds"Have at it. You figure it out." Or or when when Kennedy was killed, John F.
6:536 minutes, 53 secondsKennedy, um who was the CIA dude who was on the Warren Commission, um the brother Dulles,
7:007 minutesDulles, he said, I mean, he even said this. He said it's 28 volumes or whatever it is. Let them read it and see if they can figure it out. Yikes.
7:087 minutes, 8 secondsYeah. And that's kind of medical science, at least on the vaccine side.
7:127 minutes, 12 secondsMaybe other parts. I mean, I think surgeons are pretty good. They they they actually can do some pretty good stuff.
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsWell, I mean, the history of surgery, as you go into in this book, is also quite um not not exactly as we've been led to believe, let's say.
7:267 minutes, 26 secondsWell, well, at least the surgeons got somewhere, you know, like they got somewhere useful. Um, yeah. I mean,
7:327 minutes, 32 secondsyeah, the history of surgery. Yeah. I mean, it's I I, you know, I would pull a thread and I'd go, "Oh, that's kind of interesting. I wonder how that happened,
7:387 minutes, 38 secondsyou know, and then I'd pull more on the thread and I'm going, "What? How did that happen?" Then I pull on that thread and then I go all the way back to the beginning and I'm like, "There's no there there. This came out of thin air,
7:487 minutes, 48 secondscompletely arbitrary, completely accidental, and it's been piled up as if it were some pile of evidence, and it is no such thing." And now do you think
7:577 minutes, 57 secondsthat it was sheer force of money and influence, political influence that got it to supersede what the currently accepted practice of medicine was, which was this stuff like eclectic medicine,
8:068 minutes, 6 secondswhich I'd like to talk a little bit about more later. I had never even heard of that and I consider myself pretty wellversed in this stuff, but uh that the fact that Rockefeller and the the
8:148 minutes, 14 secondsFlexner report were just able to steamroll over like homeopathy and naturopathy and all these formerly accepted forms of medicine. Was it just
8:228 minutes, 22 secondssheer force of money and power or was there some other tricks that they were pulling or was it just that everybody thought that this new stuff was really awesome and we needed to give it a chance?
8:328 minutes, 32 secondsYeah, I mean it's very it's a very interesting thing because you know uh you know if we talk about the Rockefeller angle on this which is true everybody has probably heard hints that
8:408 minutes, 40 secondsRockefeller had a big influence on medicine and all I can say is whatever you've heard has been wildly underestimated.
8:478 minutes, 47 secondsI mean, they absolutely steamrolled over the entire medical profession. They they erased the last five or six thousand
8:548 minutes, 54 secondsyears of it and replaced it with what they thought was better. Um, an an industrial a purely industrial model that treats human beings like machines.
9:049 minutes, 4 secondsUh, you know, one, you know, if one breaks, it's no big loss. You know, just replace a piece and if that doesn't work, well, you know, get another one.
9:129 minutes, 12 secondsUm, you know, don't don't forget one one of the things that Rockefeller did was uh help uh you know, murder a bunch of
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsstriking uh coal uh coal strike coal miners.
9:249 minutes, 24 secondsCoal miners, kill a whole bunch of coal miners in uh in the state you're in now.
9:289 minutes, 28 secondsI believe it was really Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah.
9:329 minutes, 32 secondsYeah. I know that there there were a whole bunch of co cold wars going on back in the day. I didn't realize that Rockefeller was personally involved in it, though.
9:389 minutes, 38 secondsOh, yes. Actually, it, you know, he had sort of semi-retired and it was it was Rockefeller Jr. But yeah, these guys,
9:449 minutes, 44 secondsthey were like, "We ain't doing this anymore." Like, "We we don't want to work." I think I think they were asking for a six day week, I think.
9:509 minutes, 50 secondsHow dare they?
9:559 minutes, 55 secondsWe just from you. We'd like to be able to buy from other sources. And the Rockefellers who owns that particular
10:0210 minutes, 2 secondscompany. Oh, good. Are we having trouble with our internet connection? If you froze for like half a second, you're you're good now.
10:0810 minutes, 8 secondsOkay. Okay. Good, good. I'll I'll we'll we'll just soldier on. Um and they struck they struck and they set up tent camps all over the place. And uh
10:1610 minutes, 16 secondsRockefeller Jr. said, "Uh I'm not I'm not with this." And he had his security men uh and the local National Guard
10:2410 minutes, 24 secondssurround these people with machine guns and fire into the tent encampment and set fires to the tent and women and children were killed. And it was like a
10:3210 minutes, 32 secondsregular Gaza uh event uh you know, just on written small and people didn't like it. I can imagine why. At
10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsat which point they hired, talking about PR, at which point they hired the famous Ivy Lee, um, who was one of the great PR people kind of on the on the level of
10:4710 minutes, 47 secondsEdward Bernay. He also went on to give advice to Bonito Mussolini, um, the Nazi party, IG Farbin. Um, but he started out
10:5710 minutes, 57 secondsby advising the Rockefellers how to get out of the the the mess they were in when they massacred innocent people, uh,
11:0311 minutes, 3 secondswho were just who just wanted to make a living. Um, but when you ask how how old this came, it it boils down to somebody
11:1011 minutes, 10 secondsat each at each of the critical junctures, somebody with a ton of money and ton of power, not just money, but power. Um, uh, who knew nothing about
11:2011 minutes, 20 secondsmedicine, never studied it, never practiced, never put a band-aid on anybody, never took a science class. um
11:2711 minutes, 27 secondsgot under the thr of somebody who he thought knew what medicine was and decided, "Oh, I'll go
11:3511 minutes, 35 secondswith this guy and we'll just roll out whatever he says." That's the history of modern medicine and it's crazy.
11:4311 minutes, 43 secondsIt's definitely crazy. I was reading the chapter on childbirth and how uh the the just because of one case where the the
11:5011 minutes, 50 secondsmidwife to the queen who was like very good at her job and who had saved the lives of hundreds of women and and their babies and then all of a sudden one
11:5811 minutes, 58 secondswoman who she's delivered this baby delivered the baby successfully and then the woman gets a fever and then doctors kill her with their treatments but she's blamed for it and then after that it's
12:0612 minutes, 6 secondsjust no more midwives in the in the French monarchy anymore. That's insane.
12:1112 minutes, 11 secondsYeah. And not only no more midwives for the French monarchy, the whole the whole, you know, it's a 200 million year
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondspractice of childbirth, right? All the ma all mammals do it. And and obviously they've done it successfully because we've got
12:2812 minutes, 28 secondscows and and and sheep and we got chicken. No, not chicken.
12:3112 minutes, 31 secondsYeah. They don't have to lie down on the operating table and spread their legs.
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsThey just pop them out. I mean that the fact that gravity has not been I mean maybe it's just because I've never had children but it seems like I never even thought of that the gravity factor but
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondsduh yeah once you see it you can't unsee it.
12:4512 minutes, 45 secondsYeah gravity's you know for so some people you know not lot I I you know people not everyone's given birth I certainly haven't never will. Um, but
12:5312 minutes, 53 secondsbasically gravity really helps. And so what so what the and all all mammals do it. All mammals take advantage of
13:0013 minutesgravity except for human beings starting in the 1600s in France.
13:0513 minutes, 5 secondsThese people to think that they can overpower nature. I mean it's just it's nuts.
13:0913 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. It was it was it was really a a bad idea. Yeah. So, so if you if you look at the history of childbirth, women
13:1513 minutes, 15 secondswere were either sitting in is called a birthing chair or they were squatting or they were walking around or they were being, you know, they were standing, you
13:2313 minutes, 23 secondsknow, standing up and people were helping them and they and they would move positions all the time because this being is coming out of you and sometimes you need to be in a different position.
13:3213 minutes, 32 secondsSometimes all fours helps you know and so so one of the keys is freedom of movement. So what did the French barbers
13:3913 minutes, 39 secondsdo? because it was French barbers that invented modern childbirth. Uh read the read the book, you'll see. They said
13:4813 minutes, 48 secondsthey said, "Well, we think it's better if women lie flat on their back and don't move and we'll to help them not move. will have assistance hold their legs open and
13:5713 minutes, 57 secondsthen we'll pull the baby out instead of let the woman move and sort of get in whatever position she needs to be whatever position feels right so that
14:0514 minutes, 5 secondsgravity works and the baby finds its way out as it has done for 200 million years I'm obviously I'm not talking about human beings being
14:1314 minutes, 13 secondsaround for 200 million years but mammals it's a good system it's unlikely we're going to improve on it we can respect it
14:2214 minutes, 22 secondswe can uh uh not interfere with it is step one, right? But modern child birth does everything possible to interfere
14:3114 minutes, 31 secondswith a 200 year 200 million year old process that has proven itself to be wildly successful. And so what happened
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondswas if you want should I go off on this tangent? We could so that you know the women used to help
14:4514 minutes, 45 secondswomen give birth, right? And then unfortunately there was a catastrophe in France. Uh this this 36-year war between
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondsthe Catholics and the Protestants and it was horrible. Uh villages burned to the ground, fields, you know, not planted,
15:0115 minutes, 1 secondjust a disaster. And so everybody flooded into Paris and Paris wasn't ready. And you know, we're we take things like flush toilets for granted.
15:1115 minutes, 11 secondsAnd I don't want to get gross, but imagine there were no flush toilets and there were no portaotties. Like it's
15:1815 minutes, 18 secondsgoing to be a mess really fast. And housing was so bad that it wasn't you used to hear like a whole big family of eight people would live in one tenement
15:2715 minutes, 27 secondsapartment. In Paris, it was multiple families living in one room. And they had a sewers were open trenches in the
15:3415 minutes, 34 secondsmiddle of the street. So you just take your pot out and put it in the middle of the street or you'd throw it out the window and hope you hit the middle wondering around.
15:4115 minutes, 41 secondsYeah. I mean this this is how they people lived. So believe it or not, they got sick, you know. So there was this thing called the hotel due the the the
15:5015 minutes, 50 secondsthe hostel of God. Um which was originally set up as a place where pilgrims could come and stay while they were visiting all the shrines in Paris.
15:5715 minutes, 57 secondsAnd it turned into a basically a public hospital. And as Paris got bigger and bigger and people got sicker and sicker and the society broke down further and
16:0616 minutes, 6 secondsfurther, this this thing was just flooded. I think they ended up with like 10 times the number of people they expected to have all sick. Um beds are not what we think of today, you know,
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondsnice comfortable beds. Maybe you share a bed with a good friend, you know, or you have a bed to yourself. No, in this particular place there might be four,
16:2416 minutes, 24 secondsfive, six, seven people in in on one bed. So basically it's a captive audience on which they could practice their medical uh
16:3216 minutes, 32 secondsthere there you go there you go and so you could have one guy could have typhus another guy could be you know just nuts and then you'd have a woman giving birth
16:4016 minutes, 40 secondsall on the same bed. So the and and and so the guys that took over uh were what
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsthey call serger bar barber surgeons. Um because when they were originally teaching this is wild when they were
16:5516 minutes, 55 secondsoriginally teaching medicine all the universities were Catholic and they were and Catholic un this is way back like
17:0217 minutes, 2 seconds1200 those universities were set up to train people to operate in the Catholic bureaucracy. That's their that was their sole purpose. So there were courses in
17:1017 minutes, 10 secondslaw, there was courses in theology, and then Paris had at an innovation. Let's do a course in medicine. But the the
17:1717 minutes, 17 secondsweird thing was if you were a a student at the University of Paris, you were automatically considered a cleric. Okay?
17:2417 minutes, 24 secondsYou didn't have to be a priest, but you were within the the the clerical bureaucracy. And the law said clerics may not draw blood.
17:3217 minutes, 32 secondsSo we're all So you couldn't fight,
17:3417 minutes, 34 secondswhich was great. They didn't have to go to war. Uh they didn't have they couldn't they didn't have to get into duels. They couldn't be executioners.
17:4017 minutes, 40 secondsThey couldn't be torturers. But they also couldn't do any surgery of any kind. So they would just propound on what needed to happen. Hey, you should
17:4717 minutes, 47 secondsdo this. You should do that. So the guys that picked up the slack were literally barbers.
17:5317 minutes, 53 secondsAnd they said, "Oh, you need to have this thing carved off of you. You need a limb amputated. I've got something sharp."
17:5917 minutes, 59 secondsAnd so the amazing It's this is how it was, right? So the physicians would would tell the barber,
18:0518 minutes, 5 secondsthe barber, well, you see the barber pole like out, you know, the with the red thing around it. Well, that's like a sign of surgical procedures. That's what that was for.
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondsYour gallbladder was ailing you, you would just pull into one of these places and say, "Please help me."
18:2018 minutes, 20 secondsWell, which is which is really interesting. One, apparently, you know,
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsbecause of the anatomy, it's men's bladder stones are very difficult to get out. It's a little easier with women,
18:2818 minutes, 28 secondsbut with men, it's a whole surgical process, right? So that's one of the processes they would do, you know,
18:3318 minutes, 33 secondsamputations, you know, I just all kinds of crazy stuff, right? Uh and those guys ended up being very powerful and
18:4018 minutes, 40 secondsimportant in the in the hotel due, you know, the hotel of God, the the hotel whatever the it was never a hotel. It was a place where people hung out and it morphed into a like a hospital.
18:5218 minutes, 52 secondsStill there by the way. It's right across the street from the Notre Dame Cathedral. Probably smells a lot better though.
18:5718 minutes, 57 secondsI hope so. I mean, can you imagine? I mean, oh my god. That's the thing with history. You don't the the history books don't have like a scratch and sniff function.
19:0519 minutes, 5 secondsNo, thank God they don't smelled like Yeah. I mean, and that that actually gets into some some of the history of vaccines. I mean, they the vaccine industry takes credit for the
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsimprovements and survival of babies and children in the 20th century, but really it was sanitation that was largely to credit for that, right? I mean,
19:2119 minutes, 21 secondswell, like I mean, think about it. If you just if you can use your imagination, you know, and it's hard because it's gross. Um, and just imagine a life without flush toilets and people
19:3019 minutes, 30 secondsliving seven, eight, ten to a room and then Oh, and your water. Maybe you go down to the river and bring back a bucket.
19:3819 minutes, 38 secondsYeah. If if somebody hasn't just thrown a dead body in it.
19:4119 minutes, 41 secondsYeah. Yeah. And you got cows in the backyard and chicken. I mean, it it was,
19:4519 minutes, 45 secondsyou see, people could do that in the countryside because there's some, you know, some elbow room and the cows manure kind of turns into soil and it's
19:5419 minutes, 54 secondsit all works out in the end. But when you start packing human beings together like that, they're going to get sick and that and so yeah, once once you can see
20:0120 minutes, 1 secondthe the the rate of infectious diseases in New York City, I think I have it in one of my books, as soon as um indoor plumbing because indoor plumbing was not ubiquitous in Manhattan until the 20s.
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondsYikes. which is really frightening.
20:1420 minutes, 14 secondsYeah. But you can see as soon as indoor plumbing became ubiquitous, the infectious rate just crashes. It just goes away.
20:2120 minutes, 21 secondsNothing to do with vaccines, nothing to do with medicine. Um,
20:2520 minutes, 25 secondswhy didn't the sanitation industry try to take credit for that? You would think that they would have their own PR people.
20:3020 minutes, 30 secondsWell, you know, bluecollar guys, they just sort of like they go and they do it and they, you know,
20:3720 minutes, 37 secondsthey're not desk guys, they're not word guys. They're they're get it done guys.
20:4120 minutes, 41 secondsThat's true. I mean, I think it's interesting how history repeats itself.
20:4520 minutes, 45 secondsYou describe the invasion of privacy and police state police state tactics the British used on their Indian colonial subjects under the guise of fighting the
20:5220 minutes, 52 secondsplague. I'll have a quote here. Forced entry into people's homes at all hours of day and night. Uh physical examinations of women by male inspectors, forced removal of the sick,
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondmany of whom were never seen again, the destruction of homes and property, and forced injections with an experimental plague vaccine. I mean, that sound that could have come straight out of COVID
21:0921 minutes, 9 secondsbasically. and and I mean to what extent is just like okay dead men tell no tales if the the the plague the vaccine victims die we don't hear from them so
21:1621 minutes, 16 secondswe assume everything went great um I mean it's it boggles the mind that humanity has fallen for this again and again why do you think that is
21:2421 minutes, 24 secondswell I think there there's such a huge gap and and let me just say this before I answer that question I mean imagine that these were the poorest of the poor
21:3221 minutes, 32 secondsliving underneath you know a brutal m military occupation and that's how they were being treated
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondsWell, fast forward to 2020, we're all being treated that way. Yep. Right. And so, so how does this happen?
21:4521 minutes, 45 secondsI think the way it happens is there is no education about real education about health, biology, how the body works,
21:5421 minutes, 54 secondswhat health is, what causes illness, uh you know, what's reasonable to expect from medicine, what's not reasonable. We
22:0122 minutes, 1 seconddon't get any of that education in school. So, we have this class of people and we sort of leave it all up to them and they are as as the I think I have a
22:1022 minutes, 10 secondsyeah I have a chapter on um on uh this guy Welsh who's who's kind of like the the root of all evil. Uh he was he was
22:1722 minutes, 17 secondsthe founder of of uh John's Hopkins Medical School. Um they basically completely co-opted medical practice
22:2422 minutes, 24 secondsjust and and app turned it upside down literally. Maybe we could get into that a little bit too. And um so we so we are
22:3222 minutes, 32 secondsleaving everything related to health up to these people because somehow they know better. Um and when you look at the history of medicine, there's never been a time in history when they knew better.
22:4322 minutes, 43 secondsThey just knew something and they were doing it and sometimes it was okay and sometimes it was disastrous. Um, you know, for instance, you know, going back
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondsto the childbirth thing, taking women out, blocking women from being able to move into whatever position they felt comfortable in and whatever position
22:5922 minutes, 59 secondsthey thought would help the baby move and putting and locking literally locking them down on their backs and negating gravity. How many millions of
23:0823 minutes, 8 secondspeople did that kill? I mean, we we can't even calculate it because it started in France in in in this place that I talked about and these barber surgeons came in and they thought, well,
23:1823 minutes, 18 secondsI don't know. I've never done this before. It would be kind of comfortable if you laid comfortable for me if you laid down. Yeah, exactly.
23:2523 minutes, 25 secondsYou know, and I'll just yank the baby out and uh if it goes badly, well, it's God's will. And um we still have a lot of that God's will thing going on except
23:3323 minutes, 33 secondsnow it's Pharma's will or Fouch's will or or CHD's will.
23:3723 minutes, 37 secondsThe speed at which uh the science as God replaced religion and the and the the seamless way that that fused to each
23:4523 minutes, 45 secondsother. I mean, Thomas Saz, the psychiatric critic, has a book about the origins of mental illness called the manufacturer of madness, in which he traces the origin of mental illness to
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondsthe Salem witch, not not Salem witch trials, but the witch trials in general,
23:5623 minutes, 56 secondsthe witch burnings, witch hunting, witch hunting, and how that was just sort of seamlessly fused into the psychiatric industry. You you mentioned you call uh one of your chapters witch witchcraft
24:0524 minutes, 5 secondsand wishful thinking. Is was there any sort of uh origins in the uh witch uh hunt?
24:1024 minutes, 10 secondsOh, yeah. Yeah. So, let's go to the original. They always go back to smallpox and and the original small pox inoculations and how that was proof of
24:1924 minutes, 19 secondsconcept. And the way that happened was there was this English lady who was I guess stationed with her husband in
24:2424 minutes, 24 secondsConstantinople now. And um she saw a lady another woman like a you know a
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondsfolk person rubbing uh I mean this is what this is. I mean it sounds so gross and it sounds like an exaggeration but
24:3824 minutes, 38 secondsit's literally uh what it was. You cut a little incision. You take pus from an infected person with small pox and you
24:4724 minutes, 47 secondsrub it onto the open cut and somehow that little dose of smallpox is thought to teach your body how to fight smallpox
24:5724 minutes, 57 secondsand I don't know maybe it were I don't know but it sounds pretty gross to me.
25:0025 minutesUm so she thought it was great and she brought it back to England and one of her friends was Princess oh I can't remember the name. It's in the book somewhere who ended up becoming queen.
25:1025 minutes, 10 secondsAnyway, both these ladies just thought this was the greatest thing ever and they did it to their kids. They also did it to prisoners, people in jail to test
25:1725 minutes, 17 secondsit. And then Cot, now talk about witchcraft. So in the 1600s, Cotton Mathther uh who was a preacher in in
25:2525 minutes, 25 secondsearly Boston, uh who was an expert on witchcraft, he was certain witchcraft existed, wrote a whole book about it. He
25:3125 minutes, 31 secondsbecame an enthusiast for this uh this uh smallox thing. Now, by the way, no doctor today would dream in their
25:4025 minutes, 40 secondswildest [ __ ] fantasies of doing this to another human being, but that was the birth of vaccines. They they literally
25:4825 minutes, 48 secondscelebrate that as like, you know, the original insight from which we built.
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsThanks. Yeah. So there so there has got to be some understanding of the lack of science underlying all this and and people were hip to it. Believe it or not, it was illegal. I forget which state, but one of the states,
26:0526 minutes, 5 secondsVirginia, Virginia had made it a a crime to to to do use to do this medical procedure. It was literally a crime. But
26:1326 minutes, 13 secondsthen some big-mouthed uh uh Revolutionary War uh medical officer was
26:2026 minutes, 20 secondshe thought it was cool. So he was starting to agitate. He was writing all these broadsides, you know, pamphlets about the army needs to start doing this. And um Washington was like, "Oh,
26:3226 minutes, 32 secondswe're not going there, man. We're not doing this." Uh but somehow they got to him and he wrote some kind of like off-handed order. Yeah, let's do this.
26:3926 minutes, 39 secondsBut they never did it. I mean, maybe I don't know, maybe a few people did it.
26:4326 minutes, 43 secondsAnd um when you read the conditions under which that war was fought, I mean,
26:4826 minutes, 48 secondsit make it makes what we've described about Paris look like a a weekend at the RI Riviera. I mean, these guys had no sho This is winter. They had no shoes.
26:5726 minutes, 57 secondsThey had no coats. um whatever food they got they had to scrge. I mean it was insane. So the idea that there was this
27:0427 minutes, 4 secondsthey said, "Oh yes, they set up that the the revisionist history says they set up special inoculation camps where those who were inoculated spent six weeks in
27:1227 minutes, 12 secondsbed where they were fed a special diet that would this never happened, right?
27:1827 minutes, 18 secondsBut what but what did happen was some guy um decided that it was a good story.
27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsUm he he was this guy who wrote you ever heard of the story of oh George Washington cut down the cherry tree. Yes. Yes.
27:3127 minutes, 31 secondsOkay. And then George Washington threw a silver dollar across the Pamic and all that. All all those insane stories. Why would anybody cut down a cherry tree,
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsyoung or old, no one does that, right? It never happened. It never happened.
27:4327 minutes, 43 secondsBut there was a guy who he had this wagon. He started as a preacher. Uh and then he realized preaching wasn't
27:5027 minutes, 50 secondsworking out. And then he got a wagon full of books and he would take the kind of a good idea. He took the wagon through through the wilderness and he you know he'd drive in town and he'd sell Bibles mostly, but he'd sell books.
28:0028 minutesWell, when when when Washington died, he started writing books about Washington.
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsThey were selling like crazy. And he didn't have enough stories. So, he just made up a lot of stories. Wow.
28:0928 minutes, 9 secondsAnd one of the stories he made up was the was the smallox story.
28:1428 minutes, 14 secondsThis more that the inoculation and then and then that got elaborated on. So, that went to sleep for about 200 years. And then in the 1920s,
28:2228 minutes, 22 secondssome dude that wanted to push vaccination for all children rewrote the Washington story and blew it
28:3028 minutes, 30 secondsup even bigger and said not only was Washington a fervent believer in in inoculation, he had all the troops do
28:3728 minutes, 37 secondsit. And that's what made uh that's why we won the war. That's why we beat the British. It wasn't it wasn't the heart
28:4428 minutes, 44 secondsand soul and guts of of these guys fighting in in the snow with no shoes.
28:4928 minutes, 49 secondsIt was this crazy inoculation which never happened. They there's no records that it happened. I mean there's like some reports but like there the recordkeeping is terrible. It's spotty.
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondsIt's like the idea that this was a a all force inoculation was just BS. And yet that's one of the the m and oh they went
29:0729 minutes, 7 secondsback because you know there's valley Forge there's another place where where they spent the winter in the 2000 around
29:1429 minutes, 14 seconds2000 they went and created these whole pan what do you call it panor not panoramas but panels big panels telling
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsthe the Washington smallpox story really wow these guys leave no stone unturned when
29:3029 minutes, 30 secondsthey're trying to sell a line of [ __ ] like they they think of every poss possible angle and one of the angles is go to Valley Forge, go to Morristown.
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsYou know,
29:4029 minutes, 40 secondsone one thing that speaking of angles was that uh one one thing that I noticed in a lot of the 2020 20 hindsight reporting on COVID focuses on framing
29:4829 minutes, 48 secondsthe response as a series of catastrophic quote unquote mistakes. And while the title of your book seems to go along with that, what to what extent do you
29:5629 minutes, 56 secondsthink these were actually mistakes? I mean I mean the the lack of scientific basis and everything like just going along with this. Do you think these people were just blundering on for sheer
30:0430 minutes, 4 secondsgoodwill or like I mean do they know what they were doing?
30:0730 minutes, 7 secondsUm this is a really interesting question and I'm I'm I'm really thinking the formula is this an guy with tons of
30:1430 minutes, 14 secondsmoney and tons of political power which includes PR power and legislative power. So that you need that. That's step one.
30:2130 minutes, 21 secondsStep two, oh and who knows nothing about science and nothing about medicine. I mean nothing like JD Rockefeller didn't
30:2930 minutes, 29 secondsknow. He I doubt he could put a band-aid on somebody, right? He didn't finish high school. No offense, you know, he did pretty well for himself, but he never finished high school. He certainly
30:3730 minutes, 37 secondsdidn't study science. Okay, so you got that guy over here. Then you have some like wildeyed guy that gets some crazy
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsidea that he's sure is true because he he he looked at somebody else doing something crazy. I mean, literally, it's a it's a chain of craziness starting
30:5430 minutes, 54 secondswith the smallox inoculation and it just kept kept kept rolling along. So somehow when those two for oh oh and the rich
31:0231 minutes, 2 secondsguy wants to make a big impact on the world you know he wants the world to operate more efficiently his legacy
31:0931 minutes, 9 secondslegacy and also he's so sure that he knows everything because he happened to make money refining oil that he therefore knows everything about
31:1631 minutes, 16 secondseverything right so when that guy comes together with the crazed medical guy uh and if they find a meeting of the minds
31:2431 minutes, 24 secondswe are all in very serious peril and I don't I I don't think I didn't see any evidence of a desire to kill vast amounts of the
31:3431 minutes, 34 secondspopulation. I really think they thought they were doing something intelligent
31:4031 minutes, 40 secondsand yet none of the science, none of the Let's talk about Pastor because that one really everybody's heard of Louis
31:4731 minutes, 47 secondsPastor. He's practically a saint. He He can do no wrong, you know, blah blah blah. Here's what he did first. He did I want to go back to the good things he
31:5631 minutes, 56 secondsdid. He did a lot of industrial chemistry stuff like because people used to brew beer in small quantities, right?
32:0232 minutes, 2 secondsThey used to, right? But when you're starting to try to brew beer like in vast industrialsized quant quantities,
32:0832 minutes, 8 secondswhich which started basically when he was a young man coming up, it goes wrong, right? Because you need a you need such a high level of sanitation
32:1632 minutes, 16 secondswhen you when you're dealing on that scale. You can't like you can't like have little errors. You know, if if you're brewing your own beer in your
32:2432 minutes, 24 secondsbackyard, you kind of can watch it and you know whether it's on or off, right?
32:2732 minutes, 27 secondsBut when you've got vats and vats and vats, it's like you better have procedures in place or it's going to go wrong. He's the guy that figured all that stuff out. So, if you like beer,
32:3532 minutes, 35 secondsuh, wine, cheese, uh, mass-produced,
32:3932 minutes, 39 secondsthank Louis Ptor. But then he had a stroke and he started losing it and he he he he
32:4932 minutes, 49 secondsstill wanted to be famous and he had run out of tricks and so seven years. And so so he got really interested in injecting
32:5632 minutes, 56 secondsthings into animals, right? So he did very well with the cheese and the and the milk and the the wine and the and all that. Even silkworms, you know, he
33:0433 minutes, 4 secondshe figured out how to keep silk worms healthy and happy. But for some reason,
33:0933 minutes, 9 secondsand this was a craze, the craze of medicine in the 19th century was get a hypodermic needle and they were pretty new then. Put some crazy [ __ ] in it,
33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsinject it into an animal or a person and watch what happens. Wow.
33:2433 minutes, 24 secondsThey did a lot of this in the 19th century. So he was working with animals primarily and then as I mentioned his he his his sister his daughter married this
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondsvery plugged in dude like you know Ed Edward sort of like the 19th century version of Edward Bernay's except with
33:3933 minutes, 39 secondshuge political connections and and a deep family connection into journalism.
33:4433 minutes, 44 secondsI mean this I mean it's hard to imagine I can't think of anybody today who I could even compare in terms of reach and influence like influencer beyond influencer. So that was his son-in-law.
33:5433 minutes, 54 secondsSo he decided, hey, I've worked on these animals. Let me work on some people.
33:5933 minutes, 59 secondsUm, so they claimed that there was this rabies outbreak, that rabies was a terrible thing and it was killing everybody and it was a scourge of
34:0634 minutes, 6 secondshumanity. Well, I think there were 24 rabies cases in all of Paris, a city of I think two million at the time. That's not a scourge. I mean, that's un and by the way, they had no tests for rabies.
34:1634 minutes, 16 secondsSo if a dog if a dog was like acting angry and frothing at the mouth, they just called it rabies.
34:2434 minutes, 24 secondsRight.
34:2534 minutes, 25 secondsRight. Um so so it's like, oh maybe I'll cure rabies.
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondsSo so what he was do I mean laugh because it's so I mean it's sick but it's crazy and it's funny at the same time in a weird way. Um, so what they were doing was they would take a dog that they believed had rabies, kill it,
34:4134 minutes, 41 secondsum, dry out its brain and its spinal cord, grind it up into powder, and then inject it into another dog and see what
34:4834 minutes, 48 secondshappens. Well, I mean, if you inject any tissue, you know, any crap into an animal, you're likely to make it sick.
34:5534 minutes, 55 secondsYeah.
34:5634 minutes, 56 secondsSo, these animals will get sick and then they said, "Aha, we found we found what causes causes rabies." So, we'll just put a smaller amount in using the
35:0535 minutes, 5 secondsprinciple of of smallpox which was worked out by this this royal lady who never took a science class by Cotton
35:1235 minutes, 12 secondsMather who was an unhinged witchcraft you know document and we'll just add we'll just we'll just you know we'll build on that beautiful foundation. So,
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondsa this is so this story is so bizarre.
35:2435 minutes, 24 secondsSo, a boy gets bitten by a dog something like 200 miles away from Paris. Somehow his mother knows that Louis Pastor is
35:3135 minutes, 31 secondsworking on on injections. Takes the child all the way to Paris, which that's a long trip pre-car, pre-bus, right? I
35:4035 minutes, 40 secondsmean, how did she even get there with the boy? Begs Louis Pastor, "Please save my son with your new brilliant science." How did you even hear about it?
35:4835 minutes, 48 secondsWell, I think I think I had to dig so deep into this. What happened was pastor was talking about his experiments,
35:5435 minutes, 54 secondspublishing about them, and the local doctor in this town heard about him.
36:0036 minutesSo the mother I mean I the whole thing's really fishy. But we do know this poor boy ended up in Paris and they took the
36:0736 minutes, 7 secondsdried up brain and spinal cord of a dog that had rabies and and injected it into this kid something like 12 times over a
36:1536 minutes, 15 secondscourse of several days. They ran out of places to inject it in the abdomen. They started injecting him in his thigh and his buttocks and everything. And after
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsabout 12 or 14, the book has the exact number, I don't remember. The boy didn't die. Oh boy.
36:2936 minutes, 29 secondsAnd and that Helen is literally day one of vaccine science. That is amazing.
36:3736 minutes, 37 secondsAnd based on that insanity, pastor is considered one of the founding fathers of immunology. And then his his son-in-law, smart guy,
36:4636 minutes, 46 secondsmade that into a huge deal. Somehow that and we don't we don't say somehow, we know how using all his journalistic
36:5436 minutes, 54 secondspublic relations, political chops got that crazy story circulated all over the world. And suddenly Pastor was not just
37:0237 minutes, 2 secondsthe wine and cheese and beer guy. He was the guy that was going to save the world from the scourge of rabies. So they started setting up rabies clinics. So,
37:1037 minutes, 10 secondsanybody bit by a dog in Paris would go to this place. I mean, if they were, you know, susceptible. Yeah. Or wealthy,
37:1837 minutes, 18 secondstoo. Um, and interesting enough, it's the wealthy that it's it's either the very wealthy who get hit.
37:2337 minutes, 23 secondsAnd then on the other end of the spectrum, it's people that are prisoners or they're, you know, they're soldiers and they can't say no. The average person stays far away from this stuff
37:3137 minutes, 31 secondsunless it's forced upon them. So the poorest and the richest are the most likely to succumb to the predations of u
37:3837 minutes, 38 secondsmedical science's boundless thirst for experimentation.
37:4237 minutes, 42 secondsNow we all are but uh in the old days yeah you you were in big trouble if you were rich and you were big trouble if you were in a charity hospital.
37:5237 minutes, 52 secondsWhat was the most uh like mind-boggling or difficult to believe or just astonishing thing you found out in the
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondscourse of researching this book? Well, I it I'm right. The the pastor story is is a big one. That that that act of
38:0638 minutes, 6 secondsinsanity, criminality, by the way. I mean, he wasn't a doctor.
38:1138 minutes, 11 secondsLike, he shouldn't have been doing medical experiments.
38:1538 minutes, 15 secondsUm uh that that that is literally considered by the mainstream the birth
38:2138 minutes, 21 secondsof vaccinology or vaccin vaccin whatever science. Yeah,
38:2638 minutes, 26 secondsvaccine science. That is literally the birth. They they hearken back to that.
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsThat's one of their grand milestones and it's like says a lot about the people who pursue this as science.
38:3638 minutes, 36 secondsYeah. I Well, you know, the way the way medical education is handled um is so brutal and
38:4438 minutes, 44 secondsit it it excludes so many people who would be fine physicians. I mean, you pretty much when if you want to be a doctor when you're in grammar school,
38:5238 minutes, 52 secondsyou better last couple of years of grammar school, you better start getting it together. High school, you really better get it together.
38:5938 minutes, 59 secondsum so that when you go so you can get into a good college and then when you get into that college you better have taken already organic chemistry courses in the summer so that you can do well in
39:0839 minutes, 8 secondsthe hyperco competitive collegiate environment um so that you have a chance rich too and you and oh yeah let's not leave out
39:1539 minutes, 15 secondsrich right and there's there's only about 20 colleges by the way that those that provide most of the doctors you
39:2339 minutes, 23 secondsknow Harvard Yale Princeton you know all these things Dartmouth um you know if you've gone to University of south southern Iowa. Uh it's going to be hard
39:3139 minutes, 31 secondsto get into medical school no matter how good you are. Uh there aren't that many Sorry. Sorry.
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsNo, there aren't that many there aren't that many seats. And so they've made it really really really hard and really really expensive and really really
39:4339 minutes, 43 secondsdistorting of a normal human life. I mean you really shouldn't have to start at age 14 slaving away at the books.
39:5039 minutes, 50 secondsYeah. Who knows what they want to do when they're a teenager? I mean that's kind of ridiculous.
39:5439 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. Yeah. And you know there's so many other ways. And by the way, Europe doesn't do this. You get out of high school, you have good grades, you go straight into medical school.
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondsInteresting. That's why they have such higher uh survival rates of medical procedures than we do.
40:0940 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. I mean, they're they're they have much better systems than we do. But all this goes back u to to this John,
40:1640 minutes, 16 secondsbelieve it or not, John's Hopkins. You know how we're always they're they were the ones sitting at the table during what was that that that thing they did
40:2440 minutes, 24 secondsprecoid where they all got Oh, yeah. Event 21. Yeah. Then 21 rather 2011.
40:2940 minutes, 29 secondsYeah. John's Hopkins is always at the table for all this madness.
40:3340 minutes, 33 secondsYeah. They were there for the the um the anthrax thing. Exactly. That they were dead center on that.
40:3840 minutes, 38 secondsWell, one thing I found found interesting in this book is you talk about the demise of eclectic medicine which was the opposite of the what you call I like this term the SWAT team approach favored by mainstream doctors.
40:4840 minutes, 48 secondsHeroic and expensive assaults like bloodletting, purging, poisoning, and sedating. Um, and even Wikipedia has a hard time finding nasty things to say
40:5540 minutes, 55 secondsabout eclecticism, but it just vanished uh with no no trace. Basically, there there there was a they Wikipedia article has a quote from some guy who was
41:0341 minutes, 3 secondsdigging through the archives of what was the last remaining eclectic medicine school in in the United States and how it's all been coalesed into this tiny
41:1041 minutes, 10 secondslittle nucleus of information. Where did all this knowledge go and how was vaccine science able to do away with it so like completely?
41:1841 minutes, 18 secondsOh wow. Okay. Um first yeah let let let's unpack this because there's so many important things
41:2641 minutes, 26 secondsstandard medicine from the 1700s to you know mid late 1800s was what they called
41:3241 minutes, 32 secondsheroic medicine and it had the following features. First they would bleed you because your heart if you're sick your
41:4041 minutes, 40 secondsheart your heart your heart was pro your your blood was probably hot. So that that was their theory. So they would bleed you. How much would they bleed
41:4841 minutes, 48 secondsyou? Well, the night that George Washington died, um they took a cord of blood out of him. I don't know how many
41:5541 minutes, 55 secondspeople could could survive have losing a cord of blood. Um but that was a that was a therapeutic method used for decades. And by the way, you had to be
42:0242 minutes, 2 secondsrich to get that. If you were living out in the country or in the woods or or you're a farmer, a yman farmer,
42:0742 minutes, 7 secondswhatever, you're not getting that kind of fancy treatment. That was for urban people with a lot of money. Um, the next thing they do after they bled you, uh,
42:1542 minutes, 15 secondsis they would purge you. And they would purge you by giving you foul substances,
42:2042 minutes, 20 secondssome of which included mercury and arsenic, so that you would vomit your guts out, uh, so that you would completely loosen your bowels. And, you
42:2842 minutes, 28 secondsknow, and they thought, well, first we'll we'll get all the the the heat out of their body. Then we'll get all the bad stuff out of their body with these
42:3742 minutes, 37 secondspurges. Uh, and then we'll fortify them with opium and alcohol. That always helps.
42:4442 minutes, 44 secondsAnd this will kind of like they were it was like resetting your computer, re rebooting your that was sort of their idea. That was medicine for that was
42:5342 minutes, 53 secondswhen when the AMA was founded and they're they're they're the de they're one of the devils in the story. When the AMA was founded, that was medicine. And
43:0043 minutesby the way, when the AMA was founded in Philadelphia in 1844, I believe it was one of their original like things they wrote down as a rule for being a member.
43:1043 minutes, 10 secondsYou're not allowed to talk to doctors that are not members of the AMA. You're not allowed to compare case notes.
43:1543 minutes, 15 secondsYou're not allowed to share medical information or you will be thrown out of the American Medical Association. So, it's like a cult.
43:2343 minutes, 23 secondsI mean, sounds like it to me. And what were they doing that was so great? They were bleeding people and feeding them arsenic and mercury. Wow.
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondsThat's what their medical thing. Now,
43:3343 minutes, 33 secondspeople that weren't so fortunate who were living on the frontier, remember we were a 90% rural uh population in the in
43:4143 minutes, 41 secondsthe in the 1800s. I mean, people were in small villages, small farms.
43:4643 minutes, 46 secondsThere was no there may be no doctor, you know. So, people had to get smart. And one of the ways they got smart was they
43:5443 minutes, 54 secondsgot educated by the Eclectic Medical School. And eclectic medicine I I I wish I had all the uh uh facts of its
44:0244 minutes, 2 secondsfoundation at my fingertips, but it was the innovation of one person. But but what what he was doing was he said,
44:0844 minutes, 8 seconds"Look, we've got all this amazing Native American lore. A lot of it still living.
44:1344 minutes, 13 secondsWe've got all these people that have come over from the the English and Irish brought a lot of great um herbal medicine. Uh the African-Americans
44:2144 minutes, 21 secondsbrought a lot of medicine, uh a lot of medical knowledge, a ton. Um why don't we use it? Here's here's a crazy idea.
44:2944 minutes, 29 secondsSo it was not unusual for families to learn herbalism in some depth. So and you know what? They had no choice.
44:3744 minutes, 37 secondsThey're not going to CVS or or you know the local, you know, drug chain, right?
44:4244 minutes, 42 secondsYou get sick, you're on your own. And luckily, thank God, um, herbs actually when you know what you're doing are actually quite useful, quite helpful.
44:5144 minutes, 51 secondsUm, so where did all that knowledge go?
44:5344 minutes, 53 secondsA lot of it's uh, you know, sort of floating around free form in in the hearts and minds of specific indivi specific individuals. Uh, there are
45:0045 minutespeople with YouTube channels. Uh, if you find the good ones, you'll be amazed at the knowledge and experience these people have. Um, and that was medicine in America. There was also osteopathy.
45:1245 minutes, 12 secondsThere was also um homeopathy.
45:1445 minutes, 14 secondsUm there was uh there's probably some other branches of medicine too, but it didn't just disappear. And that's we have a we have a section in the book
45:2245 minutes, 22 secondscalled Scorched Earth. And that's multiple chapters where I go into how this form of medicine was eradicated.
45:2845 minutes, 28 secondsAnd oh, also the thing to know is America had more doctors per capita than any country in Europe by far because it
45:3645 minutes, 36 secondswas relatively simple. If you were a person of good character and you could stand up straight and didn't do mean things, um, you could go to a local
45:4445 minutes, 44 secondseclectic medical school. There were there were dozens of them in the United States. You would, I think it was like two years of of book learning while
45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsyou're simultaneously apprenticing to an active, you know, practitioner, right? Now, to get a lot to get approved,
46:0046 minutesultimately you'd have to get the your your the guy you worked for would have to sign off and say, "Yeah, she's worked for me for five years. She's awesome. I would totally let her go off on her own
46:0946 minutes, 9 secondsand do her own thing. So, it was a mix of of book learning related to health and and we should we hopefully we'll get to the what what medical education is
46:1746 minutes, 17 secondsnow. Book learning related to health plus practical day in and day out. It was very common to be working during the day uh and going to class at night or going to class in the on the weekends.
46:2846 minutes, 28 secondsAnd these schools were all over America.
46:3046 minutes, 30 secondsThey were they were inexpensive. All you needed was a high school dipl you may not even need a high school diploma. things were so much looser then. I mean,
46:3746 minutes, 37 secondsit's amazing how many presidents who were attorneys never went to law school starting with Abraham Lincoln. You know,
46:4346 minutes, 43 secondswe we had a whole different view of of education in those days. Um, so these guys would set up and and you know, and
46:5146 minutes, 51 secondsso there were there were there were people that were knowledgeable everywhere and but also families took it on themselves to learn this stuff too as much as they could. Well, there was a
46:5946 minutes, 59 secondslot more tendency towards self-reliance then instead of like wanting to be rescued by medical science because yet like you said they didn't have a doctor in the village or whatever. They didn't
47:0747 minutes, 7 secondshave the opportunity to be rescued. I think that we've lost a lot in terms of migrating away from being a frontier society in that respect.
47:1447 minutes, 14 secondsAbsolutely. We we hand and and I think you we were talking earlier about well how did this whole thing go off the rails? it went off the rails when all medical and health knowledge and it's
47:2347 minutes, 23 secondsit's not that bad now but when I was growing up you know I'm born in 59 right but people that grew up in the 50s the 60s the 70s even you know 40s and all
47:3247 minutes, 32 secondsthat like doctors were like another world like they knew and we didn't know period now those walls are breaking down
47:3947 minutes, 39 secondsa little bit but I think the thing that most has to happen and just to sort of jump to the to the end of this story the the thing that most has to happen is
47:4847 minutes, 48 secondspeople need to continue their interest in health. Uh, and of course, what does the medical establishment do? Don't go to the internet to try to learn anything.
47:5447 minutes, 54 secondsDon't don't do your own research. There was literally a Forbes article called that that said, don't do your own research. That was the title of it. And I think they took it down, but it was saved archive.org. So, you find that
48:0348 minutes, 3 secondsone. I mean, it's so these schools were everywhere. Oh, by the way, they did wild and crazy things like they admitted women.
48:0948 minutes, 9 secondsThey admitted black Americans. Can you imagine? Shocking,
48:1248 minutes, 12 secondsright? There they were even black uh medical schools. Uh, now the country was a lot more segregated back then. So it kind of made sense, you know, for for
48:2148 minutes, 21 secondsthat to exist. So one of the things that that Rockefeller um and and did. Uh and again, this is a obviously a really
48:2848 minutes, 28 secondssharp operator if you're talking about industrial cartel building. Um really good at that. Uh he fell under the I
48:3648 minutes, 36 secondsdon't say he fell into the clutches, but some guy who had been a preacher uh and then discovered that he was actually better as a fundraiser uh decided
48:4448 minutes, 44 secondssomehow that it was a good idea for Rockefeller to get involved in medicine.
48:4848 minutes, 48 secondsum and he sold Rockefeller on the idea and uh they decided that one of the things they needed to do was reform medical education
48:5748 minutes, 57 secondsand so they picked one school that they really liked which was John's Hopkins which maybe we'll talk about if we get enough time uh and they made that the
49:0449 minutes, 4 secondsmodel school so you either had to behave like John's Hopkins or um a you were not going to get any support from from the
49:1249 minutes, 12 secondsRockefeller Medical Institute. wasn't going to happen. But that wasn't all that Rockefeller and friends did. They created a really well o really really
49:2049 minutes, 20 secondswelloiled welloganized super sharp legislative campaign and state by state. And what they did
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondswas previously doctors regulated themselves just sort of like like um I think the bar still is that way. I think the bar gives you a legal license. I
49:3749 minutes, 37 secondsdon't think the state bar gives you your license. I don't think New York State I think that's how it works. Well, that's how it worked for medicine. So,
49:4449 minutes, 44 secondsum, you know, your local medical, uh,
49:4749 minutes, 47 secondsassociation would, you know, look at all the young people that were training and say, "Okay, you're ready. Yeah, you're not quite ready. You're never going to be ready. Get another job." You know, u,
49:5549 minutes, 55 secondsand they would issue basically the license to practice. And so they, the Rockefeller cartel educated, the state
50:0350 minutes, 3 secondslegislators said, "Oh, you don't want that. You want to take control. You want to be the ones giving licenses." even though they didn't know anything about medicine because they were you know
50:1150 minutes, 11 secondslawyers and you know bookkeepers right um so it it it gradually morphed to the
50:1850 minutes, 18 secondspoint where the states would create a medical board um which was actually controlled by the the local AMA chapter and pharma because pharma was involved
50:2750 minutes, 27 secondsback then and they became the ones that decided who could and could become a doctor and what they did was they said hey you know what you got to go to the
50:3550 minutes, 35 secondsright medical school now doesn't matter because because what was happening is people would go to these low they would they would call all these these other schools lowlevel but the graduates would
50:4450 minutes, 44 secondscome they would take the the the the entrance exam they'd ace it and sort of like oh this isn't any good these guys are too well educated okay if you don't
50:5350 minutes, 53 secondsgo to a if you don't go to a statelicicensed school now you can't even sit for the for the medical exam and you can never get a license oh and
51:0051 minutesby the way if you practice without a license we're going to throw you in jail that's all an early 20th century invention that never existed in the history of medicine.
51:0951 minutes, 9 secondsThat was that's how they took all their competition out of practice then basically.
51:1251 minutes, 12 secondsYeah. So so so now let's say you have a wonderful eclectic medical school. It's in Cincinnati. That was where one of the best ones was. And anybody that was, you
51:2051 minutes, 20 secondsknow, a good person and wanted to work hard and loved medicine, wanted to help people, what a concept. Um could go there and learn. Um well, all of a
51:2851 minutes, 28 secondssudden you could go to that school, but you wouldn't be able to practice medicine. Yikes.
51:3351 minutes, 33 secondsWith your education, you had to go to one. Now, what did the what did the approved schools? Oh, they wanted you to show up with you've had you've had
51:4051 minutes, 40 secondscourses in modern language. You've had courses in chemistry. You've had courses in physics. I have nothing against those subjects, but you know, administering
51:4851 minutes, 48 secondshealth care doesn't require you to speak French or understand physics or understand physics and you don't really need to know organic chemistry.
51:5751 minutes, 57 secondsHowever, and this is where we get to um the craze story of John's Hopkins. So a t a typical theme is the people that make these decisions are not doctors,
52:0952 minutes, 9 secondsnever were doctors, never went to medical school, but you also have uh like their allies who are people that went to medical school but never practiced medicine, right? Um Flexner,
52:2152 minutes, 21 secondsthere's the Flexner report, but then there was the guy the brother of Abraham Flexner did the Flexner report. He was he was like a self-styled education
52:2952 minutes, 29 secondsreformer. He decided that colleges had to be better. And somehow that trans well his brother was was in in bed with the Rockefellers because he was head of
52:3752 minutes, 37 secondsthe Rockefeller Medical Institute. And so they put young Abraham Simon was the guy running the Rockefeller Institute and Abraham was the guy that ran the
52:4552 minutes, 45 secondsFlexner report. So he went around and studied all the medical schools in the country and decided they were all crap except for Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins,
52:5452 minutes, 54 secondsyou know, and and the ones that were really hard to get into. Um, so you had this guy named Welsh, uh, and I think
53:0253 minutes, 2 secondshis name is William Welsh, and he got his medical degree. He went to Colombia.
53:0653 minutes, 6 secondsUm, he got a medical degree, and he didn't really want to practice medicine. He didn't really like people that much.
53:1153 minutes, 11 secondsHe wasn't really interested in sick people, but he was really interested in in experimental pathology,
53:1953 minutes, 19 secondsbasically cutting open live and dead,
53:2253 minutes, 22 secondsdead and live animals, and seeing what's inside. He thought that was the coolest thing on earth. So he went off, rich kid, very rich family. Uh they sent him
53:3053 minutes, 30 secondsto Prussia and many people have heard that the Prussians had some kind of weird influence on American culture.
53:3653 minutes, 36 secondsThey really did. And one of the ways it showed up was in medicine. So in Prussia, um
53:4453 minutes, 44 secondsso here's where we get this is you're the only person I can share this story because your audience will get this.
53:4953 minutes, 49 secondsLong ago, there was a group called the Tutonic Knights,
53:5253 minutes, 52 secondsand they went to the Middle East and tried to carve out their own little principality, you know, like so many European powers do. And it didn't work
54:0154 minutes, 1 secondfor them. So, they came back to Germany with their tails between their legs, right? It's like, now what do we do?
54:0754 minutes, 7 secondsThen they saw all these pagans in what's now Poland and Lithuania and they went to the church and said, "Hey, listen. If we convert these people to Catholicism,
54:1654 minutes, 16 secondswill you give us the land? Would you?"
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondsBecause the church owned everything in those days like they made or broke you just right you can't imagine you know it's how
54:2554 minutes, 25 secondsextreme it was. So the church said we love this idea. So the Tutonic Knights went and they took over and murdered everybody and took their land and
54:3354 minutes, 33 secondsbasically built a garrison state because nobody liked them. Nobody wanted them there. Nobody asked them to come. They
54:4154 minutes, 41 secondswere perfectly happy being what they were. Right? And so this was a multi-und multi-entury garrison state where they
54:4954 minutes, 49 secondswere always paranoid militarily. And of course because they were afraid militarily they needed to go out and beat people up. They needed to steal more land. Right.
54:5754 minutes, 57 secondsYou see the pattern here? Remind you of anybody? Sounds some familiar.
55:0155 minutes, 1 secondYeah. Yeah. So um they they they're doing really well. They're just kicking ass because you know that's all they did. They were a completely militarized
55:0955 minutes, 9 secondsstate. like the whole state was organized around military aggression and military defense. And then they got
55:1655 minutes, 16 secondstheir asses kicked by Napoleon in the in the early 1800s and they said,
55:2155 minutes, 21 seconds"Oh my god, what did we do wrong?" And they they they looked, "Oh, we didn't do enough science because the French were a little more scientific." So they went
55:2955 minutes, 29 secondswild into science. Now, where they and a lot of it was good, a lot of chemistry, a lot of physics, a lot of good stuff.
55:3655 minutes, 36 secondsBut on medicine, they went really weird.
55:4055 minutes, 40 secondsAnd they decided that rather than worry about clinical medicine and all that stuff, what really needed to do is cut things into pieces and look at them
55:4755 minutes, 47 secondsthrough microscopes, which had just been perfected. They've been around for a couple of centuries, but they were really perfected and mass-produced in
55:5455 minutes, 54 secondsPrussia. Um, and so medicine for Prussia became, hey, wake up, do a few cadaavvers,
56:0356 minutes, 3 secondsuh, go up, deliver a baby without washing your hands because who cares?
56:0956 minutes, 9 secondsIt's the purity hospital, right? And the whole all these hospitals became all the modern hospitals in Prussia were built
56:1756 minutes, 17 secondsaround these horrific um you know not horrific I mean if if you're into experimental pathology well experimental
56:2556 minutes, 25 secondspathology basically means injuring and sickening animals and then cutting them up and seeing what you did to them. Lovely.
56:3156 minutes, 31 secondsOkay. Yeah. That's that's experimental pathology. And so Welsh came over. This is the rich kid who never practiced medicine but did have a medical degree.
56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsUm he came over and said,"I love this stuff." And he spent seven years in Prussia working in these these sickening laboratories. And by the way, they were
56:4856 minutes, 48 secondsrun on a military basis. Hair doctor was the king. Lots of verbal humiliation, lots of abuse of the of the students,
56:5656 minutes, 56 secondsyou know, just a military, you know, Prussia, the the Prussians, you know,
57:0157 minutes, 1 secondthey're they're not cool. Um so he comes back to the United States all a flame with this is the future of
57:0957 minutes, 9 secondsmedicine and unfortunately he he got he landed at Belleview Hospital which was then a a teaching it was a hospital and a
57:1757 minutes, 17 secondsteaching place no more but it was and they said well listen you can set up your your little p experimental pathology lab we're not going to fund it
57:2557 minutes, 25 secondsbut but he had a rich family and they were doctors and people and they funded it and then this guy named John's hot
57:3257 minutes, 32 secondsJohn's Hopkins died. He left a ton of money to build a medical school. He's dead. Then the trustees, they decided,
57:4157 minutes, 41 secondshey, we like what this guy Welsh is doing. He's cutting things up. He's looking at things through microscopes.
57:4657 minutes, 46 secondsIt's the future. It's modern life. Let's let's be modern, just like the Prussians. So, they funded him and they made him the the original dean of the
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsmedical school. They built his experimental pathology lab even before they built John's Hopkins Hospital. They his lab was running seven years before
58:0358 minutes, 3 secondsthe medical school was even built. So when the medical school was built instead of hey here's how people get sick and here's an herb that helps and
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondshere's how you can d the first two years microscopes cutting animals up live animals you know vivisection
58:1958 minutes, 19 secondsum uh you know learning crazy complicated chemistry that nobody needs you know you don't need it to heal anybody. So the first two years the ex
58:2858 minutes, 28 secondsthe the education was how to be an experimental pathologist in the Prussian style. That's John's Hopkins.
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondsBasically alienating you from the possibility of ever identifying with your patients.
58:3758 minutes, 37 secondsUh pretty much pretty much. And then the second two years you'd go on rounds but basically you'd spend you know two weeks
58:4458 minutes, 44 secondslooking at what the obstitricians did and then two weeks looking at what the surgeons did and two weeks look you learn nothing. And you were required to
58:5358 minutes, 53 secondshave what? a long residency because you didn't know anything. You literally gra even today. It's a little better now,
58:5958 minutes, 59 secondsbut not much. You literally graduate from medical school. I learned this when I wrote what the nurses saw and I was talking to the nurses about all the residents that were running the COVID wards.
59:0759 minutes, 7 secondsYeah. She said, they told me, "Listen, Ken,
59:0959 minutes, 9 secondsyou got to understand these people know nothing. They they're at they've graduated from school. They know organic chemistry. They know how to look through a microscope. They don't know anything
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondsabout therapeutics or clinical work at all. That's what they learned during their four, five, six, sevenyear residency. So, so John's Hopkins created
59:2659 minutes, 26 secondsthat form of medical education where the first two years are just, you know, raw science that has nothing to do with clinical practice. The next two years
59:3359 minutes, 33 secondsare sort of dallying around. Then you graduate. Now you're finally able to be a resident where you work like a slave. You know, 80 100 hours a week, low pay,
59:4259 minutes, 42 secondslots of abuse,
59:4459 minutes, 44 secondsyou know, that was all imported from Prussia. And the guy now, it gets even better. This is in the book in in the long book,
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondswhich isn't out yet. So you everyone will get a preview now. The guy that ran the first residency program in America was a cocaine addict.
1:00:001 hourOh boy.
1:00:011 hour, 1 secondHe cured himself with morphine and then became a I read about this guy.
1:00:061 hour, 6 secondsYeah. Yeah. I I for Kelly I think it was his was his name or something like that.
1:00:101 hour, 10 secondsThere there were a couple of them that were massive coke fiends. Yeah. I mean that was like thing for doctors that those days.
1:00:161 hour, 16 secondsYeah. Yeah. Well, you know, this thing was invented and it's like, hey, you know, it kind of gives you it's it's good for adult, you know, for anesthesia
1:00:241 hour, 24 secondsand wow, it's kind of kind of gives you a lot of energy.
1:00:271 hour, 27 secondsGot to work 100 hours a week. It certainly Well, I mean, yeah. So, the guy that invented invented the completely unhinged insane residency program that
1:00:351 hour, 35 secondsthat basically the the whole system has the function of driving out anybody who is sane. I hate to say it because who
1:00:431 hour, 43 secondswould want to spend, you know, four years in high school slaving away so that you can get into a good college and already know organic chemistry so you can get a good mark on the or four years
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondsof that? Now you're in medical school where you're learning absolutely nothing about clinical work and then you go into a residency where you who can do that.
1:00:591 hour, 59 secondsSo, so, so you get people that are very achievementoriented and and they're very um I would think they would also be kind of insecure because they realize by the
1:01:081 hour, 1 minute, 8 secondstime they get to their residency that they don't really know what they're doing, but they've spent so much money and time putting into their education that they kind of like have this sort of
1:01:151 hour, 1 minute, 15 secondshook in their soul. They don't really know like they they they feel very insecure, but they have to project the image of authority.
1:01:221 hour, 1 minute, 22 secondsAnd they and they're trained, by the way, to project that image of authority.
1:01:251 hour, 1 minute, 25 secondsYou know, that's that that's part of part of the game because that's they're modeling it on the people that are around them,
1:01:301 hour, 1 minute, 30 secondsright? And that and I mean, I learned in high school anatomy class that the entire reason for all these Latin and Greek terms, for all the medical things,
1:01:361 hour, 1 minute, 36 secondsis to hide what you're doing from the patients.
1:01:391 hour, 1 minute, 39 secondsI mean, it's incredible when you break down any of these really complicated Latin or Greek medical terms. They're all like the simplest term in the world.
1:01:471 hour, 1 minute, 47 secondsYeah. It's entirely the big arm bone, you know,
1:01:501 hour, 1 minute, 50 secondsa secret language for obfiscational purposes.
1:01:531 hour, 1 minute, 53 secondsYeah. So, so that kind of crazed on because we've had medicine for thousands of years, you know, and the Prussians took it in a really weird direction and
1:02:021 hour, 2 minutes, 2 secondsthen the Prussian and then this guy Welsh brought it back, embedded it in John's Hopkins, and then Rockefeller said, "This is it. This is what we're going with. If you're not doing this,
1:02:111 hour, 2 minutes, 11 secondsyou're dead." So, he latched on to John's Hopkins,
1:02:131 hour, 2 minutes, 13 secondseven preferable over Harvard and Yale or Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow.
1:02:171 hour, 2 minutes, 17 secondsYeah. Because because because when Flexner, Abraham Flexner, the guy that never went to medical school, the guy that never treated a patient, the guy
1:02:251 hour, 2 minutes, 25 secondswhose only qualification was he taught Latin and Greek, um uh he just decided that guys looking through microscopes
1:02:321 hour, 2 minutes, 32 secondswas the future and that's what they were doing over in Prussia. And uh we got to do that here. And so and John's and then
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondsWelsh came back and and and installed this and they looked at John's Hopkins and said, "This is it. This is modern. All these other schools suck. Harvard,
1:02:471 hour, 2 minutes, 47 secondsyou want to be a medical school, you got to build a big laboratory. Yale, same thing. And you other schools, we don't care what you do. We're not supporting
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 secondsyou. However, we are working with the legislators to get you erased from history, which is exactly what they did.
1:03:001 hour, 3 minutesI mean, it was they did a pretty good job. Yeah,
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 secondsit was I mean, imagine I mean, there weren't 50 states in the union then because Alaska, Hawaii, and all that,
1:03:071 hour, 3 minutes, 7 secondsbut there were a lot of states. Imagine wiring every the work involved in wiring every single state legislator to
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 secondscompletely throw out a medical system that was working pretty good. You know, could it be could it have been better? Sure. Should we have
1:03:221 hour, 3 minutes, 22 secondsscience and medicine? Of course. You know,
1:03:251 hour, 3 minutes, 25 secondsthe the open litm test would be though like would these legislators and the the Rockefellers and all the people who worked for them when they got sick, who do they go to?
1:03:351 hour, 3 minutes, 35 secondsWell, that's the other So, there you have the rich people again. They they they're believed fully in their in their science.
1:03:411 hour, 3 minutes, 41 secondsThey're the greatest victims of of all this. I mean, I find the more wealthy somebody is um the more likely they are to think that modern medicine knows it
1:03:491 hour, 3 minutes, 49 secondsall. Um also the more educated somebody is because again it's the some cost fallacy. I've spent all my life learning
1:03:571 hour, 3 minutes, 57 secondsthis and therefore or else I've wasted my life.
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutesIt's true. So basically, modern medicine is an artifact of these um you know,
1:04:051 hour, 4 minutes, 5 secondskind of bloodthirsty, greedy um tutonic knights who built a culture based on
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondsland theft. Um uh and that morphed into Prussian culture, a militarized culture,
1:04:181 hour, 4 minutes, 18 secondsand then the Prussians, you know, looked at medicine through their crazy lens,
1:04:221 hour, 4 minutes, 22 secondscame up with this, this form of medicine that puts experimental pathology at the the foundation of everything. And then
1:04:291 hour, 4 minutes, 29 secondsthat got in imported over to the United States embedded in John's Hopkins. Uh the fle you know Abraham Flexner and and and uh Rockefeller and the guys around
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondsRockefeller looked at that and said looks modern to us. You win everybody else dies. Wow.
1:04:431 hour, 4 minutes, 43 secondsThat's why we had the medicine we have today.
1:04:471 hour, 4 minutes, 47 secondsThat's that's the only reason. It's completely arbitrary.
1:04:501 hour, 4 minutes, 50 secondsWow. Yeah. I mean that that that in of itself should be enough reason for people to buy your book. I think that uh the people don't realize how thin of an
1:04:581 hour, 4 minutes, 58 secondsunderpinning that this huge multi-trillion dollar industry has today. I mean, do you think there's any possibility of redeeming vaccine science
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 secondsgiven that there's no science underlying it? People had some help some hope for RFK Jr. back in the day, but that back in the day, two years ago, whatever. But
1:05:151 hour, 5 minutes, 15 secondsum that does I'm waiting I'm waiting to find I mean I'm really looking hard to find something that that's like, oh yeah,
1:05:221 hour, 5 minutes, 22 secondsthis is really good science. I get it. I get it now. this is why they're doing this. Uh and and here we are 2025 and they're still saying just get the vaccines.
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsYeah. Yeah. I mean they've stopped giving them to six months olds but that's like okay that's a tiny tip toe on the step that there's like a million miles to go here and I'm not seeing that
1:05:411 hour, 5 minutes, 41 secondshappening. So yeah is is there any future in vaccine science or we would be just be best throwing the whole thing away and starting over with eclecticism
1:05:491 hour, 5 minutes, 49 secondsand homeopathy and hydropathy and all this? I think if somebody can find some real science somewhere because because
1:05:561 hour, 5 minutes, 56 secondsbecause I also have a chapter on on polio that whole thing complete nuts completely I don't know how much time do you have any more do you have time I'll give you
1:06:041 hour, 6 minutes, 4 secondswe have a little we have a little time here okay the first outbreak of polio because infantile paralysis it's a real thing if a kid gets really really sick they may
1:06:131 hour, 6 minutes, 13 secondsalso be paralyzed why because their nervous systems aren't very well developed and if they have a bad brain inflammation it's going to immediately appear in their in their motor movement
1:06:211 hour, 6 minutes, 21 secondsbecause their motor development isn't that great. They're very vulnerable. So, infantile paralysis, it happens.
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondsEpidemics of infantile paralysis never reported in the entire history of medicine until in the slums of New York
1:06:351 hour, 6 minutes, 35 secondsCity in Brooklyn where people were living hm 10, you know, families of 10,
1:06:411 hour, 6 minutes, 41 secondsno light, no fresh air, right? And so the the um the uh the city fathers using
1:06:481 hour, 6 minutes, 48 secondsthe public health um measures encouraged by John's Hopkins uh went through and
1:06:541 hour, 6 minutes, 54 secondswith with carbolic acid um which is a toxic substance and they would mop the
1:07:011 hour, 7 minutes, 1 secondfloors of the tenementss and paint the walls with it, spray the beds with it,
1:07:071 hour, 7 minutes, 7 secondsright? Who's going to get the worst of that? Is it the adults that are walking around?
1:07:131 hour, 7 minutes, 13 secondsYeah, the kids. It's going to be little kids crawling on the ground who are very tiny and have very undeveloped livers. So, there was an outbreak of something,
1:07:231 hour, 7 minutes, 23 secondsyou know, they called it polio, but what it probably was was these ridiculous crazed public health measures where they
1:07:301 hour, 7 minutes, 30 secondswere literally spraying toxins into into the residences of the people living in Brooklyn and and you know this people in slums. They they didn't do this on Fifth
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsAvenue. Then wasn't it later DDT was also found to be something somehow.
1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsYeah. Well, that that that that's another part of it. So one of the treatments for polio in those days was
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 secondsto inject right into the spinal cord a drug that turned into formaldahhide. And the idea Yeah. And the idea this was
1:07:581 hour, 7 minutes, 58 secondsJohn's Hopkins this was New York City medical um you know public health. The idea was that it would um what do you
1:08:051 hour, 8 minutes, 5 secondscall it when when you have an infection it would well eradicate. it would eradicate the infection. It would sterilize. The idea was they wanted to
1:08:131 hour, 8 minutes, 13 secondsthey figured, well, something's happened to the kid's spine because he's not moving, so there must be a disease in it. So, let's sterilize it. So, let's inject phenol because they were
1:08:211 hour, 8 minutes, 21 secondsinjecting the same thing they were spraying on the on the floor into kids'
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 secondsspines. And they were wondering why they became permanently paralyzed. Okay. So,
1:08:291 hour, 8 minutes, 29 secondsthen they did a backwards thing and they said, "Well, where does it this thing where did it come from?" from. And then they went back to a history that some
1:08:361 hour, 8 minutes, 36 secondssometime in the late 1800s and um in in uh in Massachusetts and I think it was Vermont or New Hampshire, New Hampshire
1:08:431 hour, 8 minutes, 43 secondsbecause it was Eastern Mass. There was this weird outbreak of infantile paralysis. And they went back and said,
1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 seconds"Oh, that must have been this polio thing that we just discovered." Right?
1:08:541 hour, 8 minutes, 54 secondswhat they didn't. Now, as soon as I saw that, I said, because I live where they grow a lot of apples and they've been growing apples for a long time, and
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 secondsthere are plots here that cannot be built on because there's so much arsenic in the soil because they used to spray
1:09:101 hour, 9 minutes, 10 secondsarsenic on apples. Uh, now the why they why did they do that? Um, they they changed the name of this thing, but it
1:09:181 hour, 9 minutes, 18 secondsused to be called the gypsy moth. Um well when when that moth first appeared in North America and it and it appeared
1:09:251 hour, 9 minutes, 25 secondsright where this big outbreak of polio took so-called polio took place it went wild like in a way we can't imagine. I
1:09:321 hour, 9 minutes, 32 secondsmean every tree covered from from root to stem the sides of barns covered houses covered. It was insane. So what
1:09:401 hour, 9 minutes, 40 secondsthey did was they created a substance made of arsenic and they sprayed it everywhere in people's houses on the
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 secondswalls in the orchards and a whole bunch of b kids always young kids by the way not adults a whole bunch of young kids
1:09:561 hour, 9 minutes, 56 secondsbecame paralyzed all at once and nobody knew what happened but 30 years later they said aha that must have been the first outbreak of polio. Was it not the
1:10:051 hour, 10 minutes, 5 secondsthe common sense? Like if you spray something to kill a living thing, this moth, might it also kill other living things like humans?
1:10:121 hour, 10 minutes, 12 seconds[Music]
1:10:131 hour, 10 minutes, 13 secondsThere was no common sense. So So then now we've got they go, "Okay, well, we can't be spraying arsenic on on on people." Um, so let's stop doing that.
1:10:221 hour, 10 minutes, 22 secondsHey, here's this great stuff, DDT. We love this. And they used a lot of DDT in World War II. A ton. And they and they
1:10:301 hour, 10 minutes, 30 secondsbuilt and most importantly they built factories and you know staff and the whole thing all geared up to make DDT during the war and after the war they
1:10:391 hour, 10 minutes, 39 secondsput DDT in everything and people were spraying DDT in their houses and in their yards and trucks were going down
1:10:471 hour, 10 minutes, 47 secondsthe street spraying kids were being told to chase the DDT truck to make sure they get sprayed.
1:10:521 hour, 10 minutes, 52 secondsYeah. And so they're safe from the whatever was supposed to get them. And of course DDT turns, you know, it's interesting, you know, um Rachel Carson
1:10:591 hour, 10 minutes, 59 secondswrote um Silent Spring and everybody was very hyper aware that this DDT was killing birds,
1:11:071 hour, 11 minutes, 7 secondsbut they didn't they didn't make as big a deal the fact it was causing paral paralysis in children. So you can see
1:11:141 hour, 11 minutes, 14 secondsthe chart as soon as they stopped using DDT, the polio rate um which of course the vaccine industry took credit for once again is that that
1:11:231 hour, 11 minutes, 23 secondsseems to be their their top skill. with a lack in scientific skill that make up for in PR. Now, we're kind of running out of time here, so is there anything else you want to want to tell people about?
1:11:311 hour, 11 minutes, 31 secondsHere's what the book looks like. Can you see it? Yeah, you can see it.
1:11:351 hour, 11 minutes, 35 secondsUm, yeah. I I I I don't It may be a cabal uh like beyond our perception. But
1:11:441 hour, 11 minutes, 44 secondsI think the actual story really is what happens when some rich dude um with tremendous political and public relations and you put your finger on it.
1:11:531 hour, 11 minutes, 53 secondsThe public relations is everywhere. The guy that ran the polio thing was was um the the supervisor of Edward Bernay on the Creel Committee.
1:12:031 hour, 12 minutes, 3 secondsWow.
1:12:041 hour, 12 minutes, 4 secondsOkay. Ed Bernay was just like a low-level dude. Okay. And this guy was one of the main main Creel Committee men. I can't remember his name. It's a
1:12:121 hour, 12 minutes, 12 secondsFrench name. He's an American guy though and he was the guy that that was behind the whole polio is going to get us all.
1:12:171 hour, 12 minutes, 17 secondsBy the way, speaking of polio, FDR probably did not have polio. Really? What was wrong with that?
1:12:221 hour, 12 minutes, 22 secondsHe probably had something else. He went swimming, you know, in some really cold water near a sawmill area, right? And
1:12:311 hour, 12 minutes, 31 secondsit's Yeah, it's possible he was exhausted. It's and and you know, took in a lot of whatever the industrial
1:12:381 hour, 12 minutes, 38 secondsoutput of that sawmill was. uh and because because he the paralysis came on way too fast um to for it to be anything
1:12:461 hour, 12 minutes, 46 secondsother than poison but for some reason they called it polio and then polio because of FDR became the cause celebrity America
1:12:551 hour, 12 minutes, 55 secondsand that's why they called it polio they wanted someone someone to piggyback on there there you go and I mean literally
1:13:021 hour, 13 minutes, 2 secondswhat what this guy invented he invented the March of Dimes but the other thing this PR guy invented was every time it was every time it was FDR's birthday
1:13:111 hour, 13 minutes, 11 secondscommunities all over America would put on little balls. Now we they we live we lived in a much different society back then like communities were a lot more
1:13:191 hour, 13 minutes, 19 secondswere a lot tighter. Everything was a small town. So when somebody put on a community ball it was a big deal.
1:13:241 hour, 13 minutes, 24 secondsEverybody went. So there were thousands of these promoting find the cure for polio and this went on for decades. So
1:13:321 hour, 13 minutes, 32 secondsthat by the time Salt came up with whatever, you know, creation he came up with, um, the the public had been primed
1:13:391 hour, 13 minutes, 39 secondsfor decades waiting for the cure of this thing that was already disappearing and was never a big deal until we started poisoning children.
1:13:481 hour, 13 minutes, 48 secondsYep. And this is one of these things that repeats itself again and again. I mean, you have the you wrote you wrote a whole book about Fouchi's first fraud with the AIDS thing. Unfortunately, we don't have time to go into that right
1:13:561 hour, 13 minutes, 56 secondsnow, but I mean, it's just history repeats itself again and again is the lesson you can take from this book. And it's been going on a long time. Like
1:14:041 hour, 14 minutes, 4 secondsFouch that that COVID thing was not the first their first rodeo. AIDS wasn't their first rodeo. Polio wasn't their first rodeo. They've been out a long time.
1:14:131 hour, 14 minutes, 13 secondsReally, it's about time that people smarten up and stop letting them do this to us because I mean it is like you will find yourself laughing. When I was reading some of these excerpts, it's
1:14:211 hour, 14 minutes, 21 secondslike I couldn't help it. It's just so absurd. You you you laugh and then you realize this actually happened to people. And it's just it's so absurd though that that we've allowed ourselves
1:14:291 hour, 14 minutes, 29 secondsto be sort of shanghied by this uh these rich people with too much time on their hands and like un unvented serial killer
1:14:381 hour, 14 minutes, 38 secondsfantasies or whatever. I mean whatever makes you want to cut cut up live animals. I I don't think that that's a very wholesome uh impulse. But what do I know? I don't go to medical school.
1:14:471 hour, 14 minutes, 47 secondsYeah. And and um you know we have Bill Gates and I've got a chapter. I'm working on it. I think I can flesh it out enough so that it's a full chapter.
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondsThere was a very conscious deliberate passing of the torch from from the Rockefeller group to Bill Gates.
1:15:021 hour, 15 minutes, 2 secondsThere was a lot of cross-pollination of people that worked for both institutions. So,
1:15:081 hour, 15 minutes, 8 secondsyeah, it's we got two minutes. So, I I I want I wanted to hear about that, but we've only got two minutes. So, unfortunately,
1:15:141 hour, 15 minutes, 14 secondsZoom doesn't let us talk and talk and talk. But read the book. I will read the book when the full thing comes out. And uh it's been great talking to you, Ken.
1:15:221 hour, 15 minutes, 22 secondsThe short book is good, too. You don't have to wait till the whole book because who knows when I'll be ready with that.
1:15:261 hour, 15 minutes, 26 secondsI mean that's going to be a monster. And I'm I've got 50 chapters done. But you know Yeah. There's there's always more to dig. Turtles all the way down. Is it is it not?
1:15:341 hour, 15 minutes, 34 secondsYep. And I have to say I want to tell your listeners because it's true. Uh Helen's a huge inspiration to me. So when I'm writing this book I'm thinking about the stuff Helen writes. It's got
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 secondsto be at least as good as Helen's stuff because you're you dig deep. You dig very deep. I I just I go where the story is and unfortunately that sometimes
1:15:511 hour, 15 minutes, 51 secondstakes some time but it's worth it because people just need to know what's going on here and the truth is more bizarre than the your wildest imagination.
1:16:021 hour, 16 minutes, 2 secondsYes, that is true. Okay, we'll leave it at that. Thank you, Ken, for coming on and yeah, everybody read the book and uh learn about what's being done to you in the name of science.